Curse

Kaydee · Jan 28, 2008, 12:21 PM // 12:21

Hello everyone,

as a newcomer to GW im only starting to learn everything (Played for a month now), me and 4 other friends started to play together so that we later could PvP together, here comes trouble, for about a week or 2 i have been trying to get past that darn RA so i can do team battles, but me and another friend just cant get past it.

#1: I get a group with a monk, we usualy win, the the monk leaves after first win or 2 wins

#2: I get a group with no monk, we can win 1-2 tops.

Mostly im not even winnig the first round, now i know that im new to PvP in this game, comming from WoW PvP this RA is so similar to that sucky PvP there is in WoW and i was really hoping for something better, we bought this game for PvP how can team PvP be locked? I simply dont get it, its the most stupid thing i've ever witnessed.

Anyway, back on topic, is there anyway to bypass that RA so we can PvP as a group together?

Note: Those of my friends who already passed the RA played for 7-8 hours straight before they got the magic group, i've been up to max 3 wins, but mostly we loose all.

Pyro maniac · Jan 28, 2008, 12:23 PM // 12:23

I guess you should take a good bar first. While I normally hate them, I would suggest a thumper or assassin. They take no skill to play and are just button mashers. You should be able to get 5 wins pretty fast.

edit: builds

SA sinJust spam 12345
Spear blindbot spam random attacks on melee
ThumperSpam Hammer Bash
Very lame necroAlso 1234567

good luck

Kaydee · Jan 28, 2008, 12:26 PM // 12:26

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

I guess you should take a good bar first.

What does that mean?

Avarre · Jan 28, 2008, 12:27 PM // 12:27

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Originally Posted by Kaydee

What does that mean?

He refers to having a good skillbar, or selection of 8 skills.

Pyro maniac · Jan 28, 2008, 12:28 PM // 12:28

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Originally Posted by Kaydee

What does that mean?

you need a good skill bar. players leave if they notice they got a teammate who is a totale failure (dervishes with traps and bows, ele's who use flare, warriors with bane signet, etc)

minor · Jan 28, 2008, 12:29 PM // 12:29

Yes if a monk sees that your build and or your teamates sucks and is unlikely to win 5 or 10 they will ditch you most of the time.

X Ice Man X · Jan 28, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32

There isn't anyway to get past RA. They keep changing the system though. before you used to have to get 10 wins total, not in a row. Now its changed to 5 wins in a row, which isn't that difficult. Your best chance is going to be something like a Thumper.

If your team doesn't have a monk, you need to attack faster, the other team will be able to stay alive longer than you can if the fight draws out so getting in quick and taking out the monk is your best option. Teams without healer often do very well because they deal more damage than the RA monks can deal with.

keep trying you'll get it done soon

Stormlord Alex · Jan 28, 2008, 12:32 PM // 12:32

First, use a good bar if you're not using one already. You're more likely to lose if you are dragging your team down. As a Dervish (judging from your listed prof.) Wounding Strike or Avatar of Melandru builds are /win. Check PvXwiki for ideas.

Then, if you can't get lucky with that 'magic team', force it yourself.
Play a monk. A WoH hybrid or ZB are strong enough templates for RA, you don't even need to be particularly good at kiting and weapon switching to out-heal and survive most RA scrubs. Just learn how to beat the current meta buttonmashing Narutard 'sins/whatever and you're golden.

If that still doesn't work... Sync-join with your friends. A ZB/WoH monk, Magebane ranger, then a couple of physicals to kill shit will do fine.

Kaydee · Jan 28, 2008, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

edit: builds

SA sinJust spam 12345
Spear blindbot spam random attacks on melee
ThumperSpam Hammer Bash
Very lame necroAlso 1234567

good luck

Thanks, i will try some of those, i just hate that i have to play another class to get past RA. But if that will do, its fine.

Pleikki · Jan 28, 2008, 12:34 PM // 12:34

mm Get nice bar indeed i sometimes like do Sin or Monk in ra and usually we win until some better team comes. Well yeah there Ritu healers aswell ofc but play Monk and then monk doenst leave ^^

Kaydee · Jan 28, 2008, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

First, use a good bar if you're not using one already. You're more likely to lose if you are dragging your team down. As a Dervish (judging from your listed prof.) Wounding Strike or Avatar of Melandru builds are /win. Check PvXwiki for ideas.

Then, if you can't get lucky with that 'magic team', force it yourself.
Play a monk. A WoH hybrid or ZB are strong enough templates for RA, you don't even need to be particularly good at kiting and weapon switching to out-heal and survive most RA scrubs. Just learn how to beat the current meta buttonmashing Narutard 'sins/whatever and you're golden.

If that still doesn't work... Sync-join with your friends. A ZB/WoH monk, Magebane ranger, then a couple of physicals to kill shit will do fine.

My first char was a monk and thats the char i mostly tried to get past RA with, because how can i complaing about no monks if i dont play one myself, but i dont think im that good at playing it since everytime i meet a warrior i get smashed.

On my derv i captured most elite skills by now and been looking for a good build, i know that im no pro at all, but i do try my best to win. We tried that sync-join but mostly ended up facing eachother rather the fighting together.

~ Dan ~ · Jan 28, 2008, 12:38 PM // 12:38

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Originally Posted by Kaydee

Thanks, i will try some of those, i just hate that i have to play another class to get past RA. But if that will do, its fine.

You don't have to. Any class will work fine in RA if you can play it well. But as you are new, the easy no brainer builds posted above will serve you better.

Wish Swiftdeath · Jan 28, 2008, 12:38 PM // 12:38

Well if i do go into RA for some weird reason and see you on my team i promise i wont quit.

Best help i can give is: www.pvxwiki.com

look for the excellent builds and choose one of those that you like

Pyro maniac · Jan 28, 2008, 12:38 PM // 12:38

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Originally Posted by Kaydee

Thanks, i will try some of those, i just hate that i have to play another class to get past RA. But if that will do, its fine.

not needed. You could play monk, mesmer or whatever you like. Those builds are just very easy to play while still being decent. (I hope they'll nerf them though)
If you want to stick to dervish:
[skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill][skill]Wearying Strike[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Heart of fury[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Imbue Health[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Unstoppable high damage.

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monk bar:
[skill]Life Bond[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Disciplined Stance[/skill][skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Blessed Signet[/skill]

Monking is alot easier with bonds. While a good monk would prefer monking without bonds, it is better to start with bonds.

~ Dan ~ · Jan 28, 2008, 12:41 PM // 12:41

Why have you put protector's strike in that build? It's no Lyssa bar.

EDIT: OP, seeing as you are new :-

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[skill]Avatar of Melandru[/skill][skill]Wearying Strike[/skill][skill]Mystic Sweep[/skill][skill]Heart of fury[/skill][skill]Rush[/skill][skill]Protector's Strike[/skill][skill]Imbue Health[/skill][skill]Resurrection Signet[/skill]

Use imbue health on anyone being spiked, or someone taking alot damage to relieve pressure off your monk. Use rush just before wild blow so you don't lose all the adrenaline. Put your avatar up before you get in aggro range to avoid interrupts. When you need to recast, put a wall between you and a ranger. Also, when the bloke you are bashing has alot of prot on him, switch targets. Read dervish and melee guides for all the tips you need.

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[skill]Life Bond[/skill][skill]Balthazar's Spirit[/skill][skill]Disciplined Stance[/skill][skill]Zealous Benediction[/skill][skill]Guardian[/skill][skill]Dismiss Condition[/skill][skill]Holy Veil[/skill][skill]Blessed Signet[/skill]

Use life bond on your allies before the game starts, balth spirit on yourself. Use disciplined stance when melee is spiking you, or just generally when melee is pressuring you and you need a chance to get some prots up. You will need to get familiar with "pre-protting" to get the most out of holy veil, so for now i suggest replacing it with [skill]Remove Hex[/skill]. Read all the monk guides stickied here

Stormlord Alex · Jan 28, 2008, 12:42 PM // 12:42

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Originally Posted by Pyro maniac

[skill]Protector's Strike[/skill]

[skill]bull's strike[/skill] or [skill]wild blow[/skill] imo.

Protector's really isn't doing much for you outside of a Lyssa bar; you've already got Mystic for a quick follow-up spike.

Pyro maniac · Jan 28, 2008, 12:43 PM // 12:43

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Originally Posted by Stormlord Alex

[skill]bull's strike[/skill] or [skill]wild blow[/skill] imo.

Protector's really isn't doing much for you outside of a Lyssa bar; you've already got Mystic for a quick follow-up spike.

I like it, but ok

Kaydee · Jan 28, 2008, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Really nice with all these suggestions, appreciate it alot. Keep them comming

RhanoctJocosa · Jan 28, 2008, 12:48 PM // 12:48

Needs more Wild Blow and Chilling Victory. Also, go to the Korean district and enter there, you're bound to win a few ;D

Killed u man · Jan 28, 2008, 12:58 PM // 12:58

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Originally Posted by Kaydee

Thanks, i will try some of those, i just hate that i have to play another class to get past RA. But if that will do, its fine.

Hmmm, get used to that... Pretty much every form of PvP is dominated by lame gimmicks. (Correct, recently obs'ed GvG, and yeah, sin more plz) So EVERY form of PvP is dominated with lame gimmicks. Unless you run this gimmick, you will get rolled by the next somewhat decent team. (It's called overpowered for a reason)

So my advice to you is: Get used to the fact that you WON'T aways be able to run the bar you won't, 95% of PvP is running a overpowered (compared to other builds) bar... E.G. If you like sword warrior, but you want to GvG, You will have to go Axe, unless you want to stay around top2000,...